March 13

The Origins of Individualist Anarchism in the US – Murray N. Rothbard – Mises Daily

Source: mises.org
Murray Rothbard details the forgotten history of radical individualist thought in the US. Colonial America did not set out deliberately to be the land of the free.
    Murray Rothbard aka DA MAN droppin’ knowledge like it’s hot. very interesting look into the history of stateless societies.    


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Posted March 13, 2011 by calenfretts in category "Facebook link

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  1. By Tom Fretts on

    Scriptural Problems with The Origins of Individualist Anarchism in the US

    First, note that each example given of an anarchistic society has failed, usually because of a change of heart in the one who, by some means, has come into a position of authority. In any group of people this will happen.

    Samuel Gorton was “An opponent of theocracy, and indeed of all formal religious organizations”. I don’t see a good Biblical precedent there.

    Roger Williams – writing to his libertarian English friend Sir Henry Vane, “we have not known what an excise means; we have almost forgotten what tithes are, yea, or taxes either, to church or commonwealth.”

    “Heading this move toward anarchism was the bulk of the Baptists of Rhode Island. Led by the Reverend Thomas Olney, former Baptist minister of Providence, and including also John Field, John Throckmorton, the redoubtable William Harris, and Williams’s own brother Robert. This group circulated a petition charging that “it was blood guiltiness ,and against the rule of the gospel to execute judgement upon transgressors, against the private or public weal.” In short, any punishment of transgressors and/or any bearing of arms was anti-Christian!” Don’t see good Biblical exegesis there.

    George Keith – ” Keith saw that Quaker non-violence logically implied, not only refusal to bear arms, but complete individualistic anarchism.” Not Scriptural, anti-US Constitution.

    As for Rothbard himself…Does the following paragraph sound Scriptural to you?
    In the Ethics of Liberty Rothbard explores in terms of self-ownership and contract several contentious issues regarding children’s rights. These include
    women’s right to abortion, proscriptions on parents aggressing against children once they are born, and the issue of the state forcing parents to care for
    children, including those with severe health problems. He also holds children have the right to “run away” from parents and seek new guardians as soon as
    they are able to choose to do so. He suggested parents have the right to put a child out for adoption or even sell the rights to the child in a voluntary
    contract, which he feels is more humane than artificial governmental restriction of the number of children available to willing and often superior parents.
    He also discusses how the current juvenile justice system punishes children for making “adult” choices…

    From the Westminster Confession: “And because the powers which God has ordained, and the liberty which Christ has purchased are not intended by God to destroy, but mutually to uphold and preserve one another, they who, upon pretence of Christian liberty, shall oppose any lawful power, or the lawful exercise of it, whether it be civil or ecclesiastical, resist the ordinance of God.”

    Also “God, the supreme Lord and King of all the world, has ordained civil magistrates, to be, under Him, over the people, for His own glory, and the public
    good: and, to this end, has armed them with the power of the sword, for the defence and encouragement of them that are good, and for the punishment of evil doers.”

    And, “It is the duty of people to pray for magistrates,[8] to honor their persons,[9] to pay them tribute or other dues,[10] to obey their lawful commands, and to be subject to their authority, for conscience’ sake.”

  2. By Tom Fretts on

    1 Peter 2 :13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

    Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

  3. By frettsy on

    Pops, great comments, I thank you for posting them. I posted this article as more of an interesting history than as a strict endorsement of all their activities. I don’t agree with everything every stateless society has ever done, but I do think it’s important to note that they have existed at various times.

    on the Westminster Confession, two questions: a) what are the scriptures these thoughts are based off of, because that is what the standard should be (not that I don’t generally agree with the WC, I do, but this is important here)
    b) opposing Hitler resisted the ordinance of God?

    1 Peter 2:18 “Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.” -> again I ask, does God still require slavery? I would submit that, much like slavery, Peter was telling the congregation of the churches of Asia Minor to be subject to THEIR worldly king. it was written for a time when slavery and kings had to be dealt with. we have evolved past the former, we can’t seem to get past the latter yet, though in principle they are one and the same evil.

    you’ve said that we here in the US today don’t have slaves. but we here in the US today DO have slaves, they go by the euphemism “taxpayers”.

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